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Saudi America: the dangerous fallacy of US energy independence

The Verge -- The year is 2020. The United States is on the cusp of a golden age, there's peace in the Middle East, and the Texas oil tycoon is suddenly back in the saddle.

For many, this was the takeaway from the International Energy Agency's World Energy Outlook, released last month. In its annual report, the Paris-based IEA predicted that the US will lead the world in both oil and natural gas production by the end of the decade, overtaking Saudi Arabia and Russia, respectively. By 2035, the report says, the US should be "all but self-sufficient" in meeting its energy needs.

The news sent shockwaves across some corners of the media, prompting the Wall Street Journal to run an enthusiastic editorial titled "Saudi America." Using the IEA's projections as a springboard, the paper boldly declared that t

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,609 Points:1,608,545 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 7:57:17 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse tomok: you can't drive crude, so more refineries ARE needed, just that the distillates should remain domestically.
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:32,983 Points:2,344,535 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 3:14:54 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse Saudi America: the dangerous fallacy of US energy independence. Saudi America? US energy independence will be short lived, there are not enough oil deposits in the US to keep up massive oil produciton for very long. Anyway, Big Oil and Big Gas exports fuel and natural gas to other countries that will pay more for it, much more than here. There will be NO price reduction or cheaper prices for fuel or natural gas IN the US, so it does NOT matter how much crude oil or natural gas is produced. The US ‘oil and natural gas resources’ belong to the citizens of this country and are to be used by those same citizens! Speculators, manipulators and the banks continue to unfairly and unjustly make the driving public pay higher prices at the pump for their personal greedy benefit. The price at the pump needs to go down to $2/gallon, $3, $3.50/gallon or *$4.00 is Not the new low! More refineries is Not the answer, keep the exported fuel and natural gas here. Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, vehicle manufactures Produce and the population ‘Drives’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. The price of fuel at the pump is too high! XII/XXII/MMXII!
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crreed1 Champion Author West Virginia Posts:1,980 Points:2,525,360 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 12:21:54 AM Ignore crreed1 Report Abuse old news
TheSnowstorm Champion Author Montreal Posts:8,617 Points:1,912,990 Joined:June 2005	Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 12:19:41 AM Ignore TheSnowstorm Report Abuse An interesting article, but there are simply too many variables that can easily derail any of the predictions along the time-line(s) presented.
snky2k Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:1,393 Points:302,590 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 12:11:27 AM Ignore snky2k Report Abuse Read this yesterday too.
GGAlbo Champion Author Detroit Posts:2,244 Points:1,884,470 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 12:10:06 AM Ignore GGAlbo Report Abuse I would like to see that!!!
Matt G Champion Author Boston Posts:4,528 Points:2,772,065 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 12:07:34 AM Ignore Matt G Report Abuse About time
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WIWalt Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:1,724 Points:414,755 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 12:06:53 AM Ignore WIWalt Report Abuse Never happen with the anti-American in the White House
rjoeh Champion Author Michigan Posts:7,076 Points:2,469,090 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 12:06:42 AM Ignore rjoeh Report Abuse Excessive use of rose colored glasses with Obama at the helm.
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Ahking Champion Author Orange County Posts:3,502 Points:602,520 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 12:05:04 AM Ignore Ahking Report Abuse don't lose sight on building the alternate energy infrastructure in America.
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PoohMcGoo Champion Author Alabama Posts:3,067 Points:799,835 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:59:30 PM Ignore PoohMcGoo Report Abuse Maybe when we get another president.
gasmack Champion Author Ventura Posts:1,705 Points:666,550 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:56:00 PM Ignore gasmack Report Abuse Disagree with TKDBlackBelt and pray wise heads will prevail in fiscal cliff and energy policy matters. AMEN.
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mstearno Champion Author Dayton Posts:8,061 Points:1,730,260 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:52:11 PM Ignore mstearno Report Abuse moron wrote this one
gd83goldwinger Champion Author South Bend Posts:1,428 Points:503,480 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:50:34 PM Ignore gd83goldwinger Report Abuse I live with a cheaper cost.
Dragnet Champion Author Arizona Posts:15,401 Points:2,907,785 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:50:26 PM Ignore Dragnet Report Abuse Saudi America? Is this America's new name? This story stays far away from China. Maybe we will be The United Chinese Muslim America.
mcmonsta Champion Author Honolulu Posts:3,222 Points:817,570 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:49:33 PM Ignore mcmonsta Report Abuse peace and cheap fuel...i can live with that
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WhiskersTheCat All-Star Author Austin Posts:815 Points:1,320,705 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:37:20 PM Ignore WhiskersTheCat Report Abuse This article is nothing but leftist propaganda. What ever happened to this country's "Can Do" attitude? Now we get nothing but articles about how crummy America is.
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papakoca All-Star Author Texas Posts:649 Points:529,660 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:55:16 PM Ignore papakoca Report Abuse And just last year, the harbinger of doom was "peak oil."
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