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Refiner considers shipping oil via Great Lakes

WTHR News -- A petroleum refiner is exploring whether to build a crude oil loading dock on Lake Superior, near its refinery in Superior, Wis., to ship crude oil on the Great Lakes.

Jennifer Straumins, president of Calumet Specialty Product Partners, says the project would provide refineries more access to heavy crude oil from Canada as well as light crude from western North Dakota and eastern Montana.

Todd Borgmann, a vice president at Indianapolis-based Calumet, said in the same statement Friday that they would expect to have the project fully operational during the 2015 shipping season.

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel notes that environmental groups already are fighting a proposed pipeline that would bring more crude from Canada into the U.S. It reports they're not thrilled about shipping oil

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Submitted Jan 28, 2013 By: bar1035

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,570 Points:1,604,545 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 5:57:59 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse keep the tar sand up in the North. That way, it won't all be exported (evil grin!)
slicerette Champion Author South Bend Posts:3,493 Points:536,685 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 2:25:27 PM Ignore slicerette Report Abuse Yes Endbridge does run Canadian oil thru UP of MI and Enbridge is proposing a new pipeline called "Sandpiper" from North Dakota to Superior Oil Refinery on Wisconsin's shore with Lake Superior. And Yes, the "greenies" are already protesting more American oil for Americans. I notice the "greenies" never protest Venezuelan oil.
DoctorV All-Star Author Detroit Posts:995 Points:198,030 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 8:44:55 PM Ignore DoctorV Report Abuse Doesn't Enbridge's Lakehead system already run to Superior?
slicerette Champion Author South Bend Posts:3,493 Points:536,685 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 7:53:56 PM Ignore slicerette Report Abuse Yes, the Oil Tankers that sail the Great Lakes are required to be doubled hulled. Yes, there have been tankers on the Great Lakes since 1900, over one hundred and twelve years. Yes These Great Lakes tankers could take crude from Superior Wisconsin to Whiting Indiana's BP Oil Refinery, 6th largest in the world! Yes they could help supply Marathon's Detroit Oil Refinery that just made a $2,000,000,000 expansion to refine more heavy Canadian crude. BUT we need to have Sandpiper Oil Pipeline connect the North Dakota oil fields with Superior Wisconsin. Yes, for 112 years, oil tankers have been sailing the Great Lakes.
camaro_man Champion Author Kitchener-Waterloo Posts:2,207 Points:606,820 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 4:39:28 PM Ignore camaro_man Report Abuse yes make sure.....
coughlin Champion Author San Jose Posts:5,160 Points:1,112,890 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 3:31:06 PM Ignore coughlin Report Abuse As long as they're double hulled.
DoctorV All-Star Author Detroit Posts:995 Points:198,030 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 1:34:28 PM Ignore DoctorV Report Abuse Would you be in favor of this project if it were used to ship the oil out of the country?
bicycler Champion Author Ontario Posts:14,815 Points:2,598,445 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 8:09:16 AM Ignore bicycler Report Abuse Not my dream thank you, too dangerous
virostek Veteran Author Virginia Posts:423 Points:90,285 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 6:57:23 AM Ignore virostek Report Abuse I assumed they already did ship it.
Wizrd03 Champion Author Illinois Posts:8,127 Points:1,627,360 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 6:42:46 AM Ignore Wizrd03 Report Abuse That will whip the greenies in to a frenzy!!!!!!!
jrs4125 Champion Author Indiana Posts:2,733 Points:586,770 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 4:20:55 AM Ignore jrs4125 Report Abuse ok
myambro Champion Author Sacramento Posts:3,194 Points:1,048,625 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 2:23:31 AM Ignore myambro Report Abuse Sounds smart.
Rageagainsttm Champion Author Tampa Posts:8,283 Points:1,898,980 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 1:40:51 AM Ignore Rageagainsttm Report Abuse I like it.
AskMeLater Champion Author Amarillo Posts:1,963 Points:573,050 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 1:38:37 AM Ignore AskMeLater Report Abuse Go for it!
snagged Veteran Author Akron Posts:396 Points:109,530 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 1:36:25 AM Ignore snagged Report Abuse I didn't know that they couldn't???
bobdec Champion Author Miami Posts:8,944 Points:1,766,570 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 1:31:54 AM Ignore bobdec Report Abuse Another bad idea
iFueler Champion Author Durham Posts:64,233 Points:173,550 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 1:28:34 AM Ignore iFueler Report Abuse this may upset some folk
Thomtec Champion Author Nashville Posts:2,438 Points:603,170 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 1:28:27 AM Ignore Thomtec Report Abuse Ok fine. Where is Warren Buffett
crreed1 Champion Author West Virginia Posts:1,965 Points:2,522,335 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:21:15 AM Ignore crreed1 Report Abuse move it by rail
singlemom27 Champion Author Ventura Posts:3,088 Points:635,210 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:19:32 AM Ignore singlemom27 Report Abuse Superior is cold and deep. Storms on the Great Lakes can be vicious. They would need to limit or curtail their operations for several months each year for safety reasons.
DrGasPain Veteran Author Dallas Posts:362 Points:454,450 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:18:07 AM Ignore DrGasPain Report Abuse If the environmentalists won't let them build the Keystone, that oil will move someway, either by truck, rail or ship --- all of which are much less safe than a pipeline. All are more prone to human error, accidents and terrorism. All leave a much bigger carbon footprint than efficiently moving by pipeline. All are more expensive. And.......Talk about environmental disasteres, an oil tanker catastrophy in the great lakes makes just about any pipeline problem miniscule in comparison!!! It seems that the environmentalists should be fighting FOR the pipeline!
TheGoatWhisperer Veteran Author Ohio Posts:477 Points:213,735 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:16:58 AM Ignore TheGoatWhisperer Report Abuse Aside from Gordon Lightfoot's ballad, the 1679 wreck of LaSalle's "Le Griffon" is a more noteworthy Great Lakes event.
southrob Champion Author Tucson Posts:3,585 Points:685,150 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:16:35 AM Ignore southrob Report Abuse dhan quick
LQQKGAS Champion Author Phoenix Posts:2,647 Points:1,191,120 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:12:44 AM Ignore LQQKGAS Report Abuse Better yet, Refine it here and use it locally! sehonda: Isn't everything in Honolulu foreign? [Edited by: LQQKGAS at 1/29/2013 12:14:35 AM EST]
sehonda Champion Author Honolulu Posts:2,018 Points:912,010 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:11:53 AM Ignore sehonda Report Abuse foreign crude is foreign
LQQKGAS Champion Author Phoenix Posts:2,647 Points:1,191,120 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:11:45 AM Ignore LQQKGAS Report Abuse How's about a pipeline?
tedjm1 Champion Author New York Posts:5,609 Points:800,300 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:11:27 AM Ignore tedjm1 Report Abuse Always a chance for some type of spill.
cifuentesab All-Star Author Stockton Posts:645 Points:501,550 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:10:37 AM Ignore cifuentesab Report Abuse sure if you can do it
LQQKGAS Champion Author Phoenix Posts:2,647 Points:1,191,120 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:10:13 AM Ignore LQQKGAS Report Abuse One spill will turn the Great Lakes into the Great Swamps.
wshokie12 Champion Author Winston-Salem Posts:1,295 Points:211,585 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:09:47 AM Ignore wshokie12 Report Abuse Do it.
Cableman66 Champion Author North Carolina Posts:2,090 Points:485,945 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:08:37 AM Ignore Cableman66 Report Abuse Old news.
boatfloyd Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:1,698 Points:383,975 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:08:02 AM Ignore boatfloyd Report Abuse More shipping, more oil.
JasTheAce All-Star Author Raleigh Posts:945 Points:167,360 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:06:51 AM Ignore JasTheAce Report Abuse wreck of the edmund fitzgerald comes to mind
PrinceLH Champion Author Ontario Posts:2,672 Points:534,045 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:06:41 AM Ignore PrinceLH Report Abuse OK. Good idea!
TxPDawg All-Star Author Austin Posts:648 Points:375,840 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:06:25 AM Ignore TxPDawg Report Abuse Do one or the other
Blue_Cruzer Champion Author Lexington Posts:7,495 Points:1,664,610 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:06:04 AM Ignore Blue_Cruzer Report Abuse Not the Great Lakes.
N5EXY Champion Author Austin Posts:5,472 Points:1,505,930 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:04:59 AM Ignore N5EXY Report Abuse Shortest distance between two points? Around Bozama?
rahcat Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:2,448 Points:658,200 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:04:35 AM Ignore rahcat Report Abuse Obama and the EPA will squash this.
52MPG Champion Author Dayton Posts:7,242 Points:1,737,705 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:02:56 AM Ignore 52MPG Report Abuse Just another way around BO.
cheaper0ON All-Star Author Ontario Posts:958 Points:393,080 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:01:58 AM Ignore cheaper0ON Report Abuse Old News.
jwalkerh Champion Author Louisiana Posts:6,127 Points:1,368,270 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 11:59:10 PM Ignore jwalkerh Report Abuse Build it now
bonzoonfmb Champion Author Florida Posts:1,757 Points:639,650 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 11:59:01 PM Ignore bonzoonfmb Report Abuse There is a lot of room for more shipping on the Great Lakes.
SpankyMI Champion Author Kalamazoo Posts:2,688 Points:755,280 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 11:58:24 PM Ignore SpankyMI Report Abuse Risky business.
SavALot Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:8,449 Points:1,706,860 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 11:54:46 PM Ignore SavALot Report Abuse key to transshipment
TheHermit Champion Author Maine Posts:3,404 Points:127,030 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 11:52:32 PM Ignore TheHermit Report Abuse Why not build
Buddy2264 Champion Author Tampa Posts:11,629 Points:2,355,745 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 11:49:35 PM Ignore Buddy2264 Report Abuse I am guessing rail capacity could be increased before that without additional building and in the future pipelines. If we have not had shipping on the lakes why begin now.
carinthuist Champion Author San Francisco Posts:2,221 Points:326,010 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 11:49:23 PM Ignore carinthuist Report Abuse alright
DEG Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:17,605 Points:3,491,680 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 11:47:46 PM Ignore DEG Report Abuse It most likely makes economic sense (therefore, Obama will block it).
prorodeo2012 All-Star Author Bakersfield Posts:528 Points:179,795 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 11:47:00 PM Ignore prorodeo2012 Report Abuse lets do it
jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:9,830 Points:1,608,250 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 11:45:04 PM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse “. . . the project would provide refineries more access to heavy crude oil from Canada . . .” Forget that “heavy crude” aka tar-sands sludge. I have no objection to shipping our ND crude via lake tankers if they can be loaded without spilling oil into the lakes. Just stay in port for the winter — no tankers trying to be icebreakers.